HBC -Mapping Changes to EDI 856 transaction - is this a problem for you?

snafu169

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HBC (Zellers/The Bay) is implementing a new requirement ( or at least enforcing an old one). ( Scheduled for May10/10).

UCC 128 – (00) 1 Pallet
UCC 128 – (00) 0 Case

For any retailer requiring ASN's with these labels we would always either label as a Pallet, or each carton depending on how the inventory is managed/ordered.... never both on the same order.

HBC now wants to have both on each (bulk) order, so if we ship 10 pallets of product with 100 ctns per pallet, we now have to generate 10 pallet labels, and a label for every carton on the pallet (1000 labels total). Each carton label is also a 4x6 label.

  • So an order that previously had 10 labels now has 1010 labels
  • Increase Labor to not only apply label but also may have to pull skid apart to reach inner cartons
  • Increase Order Process time - backlog
  • Increase character count in EDI ( cost depends on contract and method)

We need to modify our WMS to handle the labeling simultaneously as it was only ever designed to do one or the other, and until now no one ever asked otherwise?

Is this a headache for anyone else? if you ship to HBC this will affect you most likely.

I can appreciate that labeling at case level uniquely can give good control over all attributes of the case ( Article, Lot, batch etc), but this can also be accomplished by establishing standards at production level using serialized case codes.... I know that can add a lot of overhead with systems, but I'd rather have a system manage this instead of add additional cost to the backend.


Just looking for Feedback


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snafu169

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Re: HBC -Mapping Changes to EDI 856 transaction - is this a problem for you?

this forum either is not that popular, or people just don't get it.... doesn't anyone see the amount of labor involved with this? Why are Industry leaders allowing retailers such freedom to push changes out that impact so many.... big retail needs to collaborate with 3rd party DC's

were implementing these changes, for a client, now all of a sudden HBC didn't feel it necessary to update the pack size of the items...just left it at 1... so now our order is calling for 1000's of labels which require us to open the box an label the inner... this is ridiculous....
 

TopLink

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Re: HBC -Mapping Changes to EDI 856 transaction - is this a problem for you?

It certainly does sound over the top. Particularly if labeling inners is required. What are their reasons for requiring this? Do individual cases then get x docked and routed to individual stores? Sadly big retail tends to wield a big stick in most parts of the World and tend to get what they want. But that does not mean supliers should just bend to their every whim. I suspect taht these decisions are often made by some lowly buyer who does not comprehend the implications of such a request. But something like this would generally be part of a broad program involving hundreds of suppliers, with consultation, feedback etc. Not in this case huh ?
 

Starbucks Junkie

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Re: HBC -Mapping Changes to EDI 856 transaction - is this a problem for you?

This does sound completely excessive, and unreasonable, as working for a Mahor UK retailer, we certainly have not made any such demands to our 3rd party DC's.

I would suggest that you challenge this, and explain the costs and lack of service as a result of the added time and labour to your client.
 

snafu169

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Re: HBC -Mapping Changes to EDI 856 transaction - is this a problem for you?

Well you know something is not logical when it takes a year to implement due to Vendors pushing back, although I don't think enough have, and I also think the main issue is Upper management does not listen or understand the implications that this request does to the supply chain ( at any company).

I have 4 clients who are affected by this, 3 have found a way to get around the requirement by using the SSCC14 and the 4th is just being a "good" vendor by complying.

It doesn't matter to me if a Retailer wants to force vendors to comply to make their supply chain more efficient... the issue is that they may make things more efficient at their end but end up driving up costs else ware. what needs to happen is Retailers at some level need to work together to establish standards that everyone can work with and benefits the entire supply chain not just their end.
 

Starbucks Junkie

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Re: HBC -Mapping Changes to EDI 856 transaction - is this a problem for you?

I completely agree with your last statement, far too many companies do not think of the bigger picture, they see costs coming down, and think yeah success, except the costs are creeping up somewhere else as a result of the change.

A true false economy..
 
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